Ep 57 Germs Are Our Friends: Debunking the Mainstream Disease Model
Germs Are Our Friends:
Debunking the Mainstream Disease Model
Debunking the Mainstream Disease Model
What If Everything You Were Told About Germs Was Wrong?
Jacob Diaz didn't come from medicine. His background was in private security and potentially law enforcement. Health was not a focal point — until COVID arrived and nothing he was seeing on the streets of New York matched what was being reported. Hospitals were supposedly overwhelmed. People were supposed to be dropping dead. He was watching homeless people in zero social distancing, zero hygiene protocols, thriving.
He got connected to Alex Zek, Tom Cowan's work, Andrew Kaufman, Amanda Vollmer, and a network of naturopaths and terrain practitioners. They formed a group chat. They traded studies, shared theories. He read 15 to 20 books. Hundreds of studies. He went deep on virology, infectious disease history, the misuse of PCR, the lack of viral isolation. Then he made the Instagram. He learned for free from people who gave their time. He does the same.
He now has over 20K followers, a podcast called Germs Are Our Friends, and is completing naturopathic training. His co-created bioterrain school, The End of COVID, has been taken by over 130,000 people. In this episode, he joins Josh to dismantle germ theory disease by disease — Lyme, HIV/AIDS, Spanish flu, raw milk, parasites, and why the mainstream model is a 200-year-old war metaphor designed to create customers.
The key is in the word disease — the distance from being eased. The further you get from the distance of health, you're going to get sicker and sicker.
— Jacob DiazWhat We Cover
What This Episode Covers
What to Take From This
- You are more germ than not. You have more bacterial cells than blood cells. Billions of fungal organisms live on your skin right now. Staphylococcus aureus is always present. If germs were truly opportunistic pathogens attacking from outside, we would already be dead. The population is growing. We coexist with germs because they work with us — not against us.
- Pleomorphism proves germ theory is incomplete. Germs change form in response to the environment — streptococcus becomes staphylococcus becomes fungus becomes mold. Documented by Béchamp, Enderlein, Naessens, and others. If one germ causes one disease, it cannot simultaneously be a different organism in a different environment. The terrain drives behaviour, not the germ.
- Lyme disease is a misdiagnosis built on non-specific testing. Fifty symptoms. Antibody tests that flag 70+ unrelated conditions including perfect health. In the foundational Long Island cases, 34 of 36 patients had zero bacteria in blood culture. The deterioration follows the antibiotic treatment — not the tick bite. The bunny study — 300 ticks biting four bunnies for days — produced zero positive cultures.
- AIDS is real. HIV as a viral cause has not met isolation standards. All five original HIV patients used poppers — inhalant drugs full of nitrites that cause direct lung damage. AZT, prescribed to treat HIV, was a previously shelved drug that caused cancer and immune collapse. Magic Johnson tested positive, never took AZT, and is alive and healthy thirty years later.
- Spanish flu was a vaccine injury layered with radiation and aspirin toxicity. Military personnel received 26 unpurified vaccines in weeks before deployment. Spanish flu cases mapped precisely to military bases. Non-native EMF was rolling out across cities simultaneously. Contagion studies — hundreds of patients across eight or nine published attempts — all failed to produce consistent illness.
- Louis Pasteur was a documented fraud. His own great-nephew revealed his notebooks showed plagiarism and fabricated results. Pasteurisation was invented to address diseased milk from city cows fed brewery waste — not a raw milk problem. It destroyed the bacteria, enzymes, and lactose that made dairy digestible. We created lactose intolerance. Raw milk fed humans for over 10,000 years without this problem.
- Parasites are heavy metal cleanup crew. Each species has a specific affinity for certain heavy metals. They are present because the terrain contains their food source. Studies show they are anti-cancer — actively consuming tumour tissue. A herbal cleanse doesn't kill them; it cleans the terrain so they no longer have food. What passes in the toilet is the waste they were processing.
- Diet and emotional health are the two primary levers — before any protocol. What are you eating? What unprocessed emotional weight are you carrying? Traditional Chinese Medicine knew this thousands of years ago: anger in the liver, sadness in the lungs. Emotions are physical. They hold tension in the body. Address both before anything else.
The Full Conversation
How Jacob Got Here — From Private Security to Terrain Theory
Jacob was in New York City when COVID started. His background had nothing to do with medicine. But what he was seeing in the streets did not match what he was being told. He connected with Alex Zek, Tom Cowan, Andrew Kaufman, Amanda Vollmer, and a growing network of terrain practitioners through group chats and study exchanges. He read voraciously. Eventually he decided this had to become his career — and he made the Instagram to give back what others had given him for free.
Opening People Up — The First Conversation
Jacob's entry point for anyone new to terrain theory is a biological fact: you have more bacterial cells than blood cells. There are billions of fungal organisms on your skin right now. Your gut microbiome is your second brain. If you truly believe germs are bad, you are a germ. You are filled to the brim with them and doing fine.
The allopathic model — only 200 years old — introduced a war metaphor: identify the invader, attack it. This model creates customers. Traditional Chinese Medicine, osteopathy, herbalism, naturopathy — thousands of years of practice across every culture — operated on the opposite premise: support the body, clean the terrain, listen to the symptom. The symptom is not the problem. It is the solution.
When the fish gets sick, you don't inject the fish. You clean the tank. The environment determines the health of the organism inside it. Support the body and clean the terrain. Jacob uses this in every first conversation — and it opens people every time.
BJJ, Staph Infections & What's Actually Happening on the Mats
This is personal for Josh and for a large part of this show's audience. Josh had a staph situation last year. Got it swabbed. First antibiotic failed. Told it was actually strep. Two more antibiotics. He broke down and took them. He's made different decisions since then — let the last few things run their course, worked with a naturopath, and the healing was better in every respect.
Jacob's explanation: Staphylococcus aureus is always on your skin. Always. It is a native resident. When the environment changes — moisture from the mats, friction, a cut — the bacteria native to that area respond. They eat dead tissue. They push out the toxicity as pus and inflammation, which gets blood and nutrients into the wound. The Staphylococcus metabolite then helps heal it. Seeing Staph in a culture and calling it an infection is the medical equivalent of finding soil bacteria in soil and calling it a contamination event.
Pleomorphism — The Discovery That Breaks Germ Theory Entirely
Pleomorphism is not a theory. It is documented and observable: germs change form in response to the environment they inhabit. Streptococcus becomes staphylococcus becomes fungus becomes mold. Documented by Béchamp, Gunther Enderlein, Gaston Naessens, Claude Bernard, and others — and visible in live microscopy footage that still exists if you look for it.
This observation dismantles the core premise of germ theory: that one specific germ causes one specific disease. If the organism is constantly changing in response to the terrain, the terrain is the cause — not the germ. When someone keeps taking antibiotics and keeps getting sicker, the environment is becoming more acidic and toxic. The germs adapt into more aggressive forms not because they are attacking — but because the environment demands it. What allopathic medicine calls a superbug is a terrain problem being treated with something that makes the terrain worse.
They'll say you have a superbug, you have MRSA. But it's not a superbug — they're just changing to survive that environment. And every time you push more antibiotics, you make the environment worse for you and better for the more aggressive form.
— Jacob DiazDiet & Emotional Health — The Two Primary Levers
Before any protocol, any supplement, any modality — Jacob asks two questions: what are you eating, and what unprocessed emotional weight are you carrying? The gut assimilates nutrients and keeps detoxification pathways open. Destroy the gut with seed oils, glyphosate, pesticide-saturated produce, and processed food, and everything breaks down downstream.
The emotional layer is underrated and deeply physical. Traditional Chinese Medicine associated specific emotions with specific organs — anger with the liver, sadness with the lungs — not as metaphor but as clinical reality. When you get angry, you feel it in your gut. When you're sad, you feel heavy. Emotions hold tension in the muscles. Unprocessed emotional weight creates stagnation that no supplement addresses. The practical starting point for everyone: whole foods, minimal ingredients, movement twice a week, sunlight, and ten minutes of grounding — bare feet in the grass. Free. Proven. Works.
Lyme Disease — The 50-Symptom Diagnosis Built on Nothing
Fifty symptoms are associated with Lyme disease. Any one or two of them qualifies for a diagnosis. That is not a specific disease — that is a net so wide it could catch almost any unwell person who walks into a clinic. Jacob spent an entire podcast episode dissecting the foundational studies, and the evidence is damning.
In the original Long Island cases — 36 patients — only 2 had the bacteria in blood culture. Thirty-four did not. In the bunny study, 300 ticks supposedly carrying the causative bacteria bit four bunnies for days. Zero positive cultures. Dr. Willy Burgdorfer — the man the bacteria was named after — is on record calling the antibody research shoddy and requiring a complete redo. Healthy people test positive. Sick people with clear Lyme pathology test negative. The test is meaningless.
Then comes the treatment: 4 to 12 weeks of amoxicillin, penicillin, and related antibiotics. These acidify the body, stagnate the lymphatic system, deteriorate gut health, and suppress adrenal function. The deterioration people experience is the antibiotic damage. It follows the treatment — not the tick bite. They associate it with the bite because that's when the prescriptions started.
If you arrive at the hospital with a tick still embedded in your skin, the diagnosis is tick toxicosis — a minor toxic reaction to the tick's salivary enzyme, resolving in a day or two. If the tick is already out, you'll be diagnosed with Lyme and given a 12-week antibiotic protocol. The symptoms are identical. The only difference is whether the doctor can see the tick.
HIV/AIDS — AIDS Is Real. HIV As a Virus Has Not Been Properly Isolated.
Jacob is precise about this distinction: AIDS exists. It is a real condition — the body reaching a state where it cannot heal itself, where the lymphatic system has collapsed, where white blood cell production has failed. The question is what causes it. Before HIV was named, the historical record pointed clearly to drug use, cancer treatment drugs, street drug use, and malnourishment. AIDS was devastating homeless populations, intravenous drug users, and malnourished children in Africa long before any viral explanation was proposed.
The five original HIV patients all had pneumonia. All five reported using poppers — inhalant drugs widely used in the gay community, full of nitrites, inhaled directly into the lungs. The lung damage follows. The bacteria native to the lung mucus lining respond. The public association made was with the men's sexual orientation — not the drug they were inhaling every day. No one told this community the drug was dangerous.
Then came AZT — a drug previously shelved because it caused cancer and immune suppression. Approved and prescribed for continuous home use to HIV-positive individuals. These men were deteriorating from ongoing drug use and from AZT while the world was told a virus was killing them. Magic Johnson tested positive, never took AZT, and is alive and healthy. The pattern holds.
The PCR Problem — A Magnifying Glass, Not a Test
Kerry Mullis — Nobel Prize-winning biochemist who invented PCR — said explicitly on camera that it does not tell you that you're sick, does not tell you what you have will get you sick, and does not tell you where the sequences came from. It is an amplification tool. It was converted into a diagnostic tool. Control studies Jacob reviewed showed 98 to 99 percent sequence overlap between COVID PCR results and bacteria, fungus, and the human genome. Coca-Cola tests positive. Animals test positive. Because it is finding nonspecific proteins that exist everywhere — not a specific pathogen.
The cycle threshold is the mechanism of manipulation. Fauci stated publicly that anything above 25 cycles is useless — you are amplifying noise. Labs during both HIV and COVID were running cycles at 35, 40, 45. The Perth Group documented over 70 conditions — including perfect health and pregnancy — that produce a positive HIV antibody test. These are in the published scientific record. They have not been refuted. They have been ignored.
Spanish Flu — The Vaccine Injury Nobody Named
Before deployment to World War I, US military personnel received 26 vaccines in roughly a month. These were not refined pharmaceutical products — they were ground-up animal lung tissue, mucus, and glutaraldehyde, blended and injected directly into the bloodstream. Spanish flu cases in the United States mapped precisely to military bases, because that's where the injections happened and where the surplus was then pushed to the civilian population nearby.
Layered on top: the simultaneous first rollout of non-native EMF via radio waves across cities — documented in Arthur Firstenberg's The Invisible Rainbow. Aspirin, which had just come to market, was being administered to hospital patients at toxic doses. And the contagion studies conducted during and after the Spanish flu period — multiple doctors, multiple hospitals, multiple jails, hundreds of patients — all failed. Infected fluid injected into healthy subjects. Blankets shared with the sick. Direct heavy breathing onto faces. No consistent illness produced in any published study.
Eight or nine published studies across the Spanish flu era attempted to prove influenza was contagious. Hundreds of participants. Every methodology tried: injecting infected fluids, shared blankets, direct breathing onto healthy subjects. All failed to produce consistent illness. Dr. Rosenow — an allopathic doctor who ran several of these — concluded in print that there were serious questions that needed answering. The studies are in the literature. They have not been addressed.
Louis Pasteur — Fraud, Raw Milk & the Lactose Intolerance We Created
Two books form the foundation: Béchamp vs Pasteur, documenting how Pasteur plagiarised Béchamp's work on pleomorphism throughout his career, and The Secret Science of Louis Pasteur, published by a great-nephew after discovering that Pasteur explicitly did not want his notebooks released. Because they documented lies — fabricated vaccine trials, shoddy rabies experiments using ground-up animal brain tissue, and a career built on stolen science.
On raw milk: the problem Pasteur was claiming to solve was not a raw milk problem. It was a diseased cow problem. Cows in cities were being fed brewery waste — swill, cardboard, garbage, literal beer. Their milk was already toxic. Rather than returning cows to pasture, Pasteur's solution was to flash-heat the milk above 200°F — destroying the beneficial bacteria, enzymes, lactose, and all the nutritional intelligence that made raw milk digestible and therapeutic. Roughly 50% of the population now cannot process dairy. We created lactose intolerance. Raw milk had fed humans for over 10,000 years without this problem.
Jacob developed celiac disease at 16 after a fully vaccinated childhood of gut issues. When he introduced raw milk, digestion improved immediately. Josh puts a little maple syrup in his. It's his favourite evening drink. There's a farm 15 minutes from Jacob in Orange County, New York — $5 a gallon, and you can live on it.
Parasites — The Heavy Metal Cleanup Crew
Every parasite species has a specific affinity for certain heavy metals. They are in the body because the terrain contains what they eat. In a world of 70 to 80+ vaccines loaded with aluminium and mercury, microplastics confirmed in testicles in published studies, and heavy metals concentrated in virtually all farm-raised fish — the terrain is fully stocked. Bears carry 30-foot parasites because they eat metal-contaminated fish. The parasite is not attacking the bear. It is eating the contamination.
Published studies show parasites are actively anti-cancer — consuming tumour tissue. Practitioners have confused parasite activity for tumour growth under magnification, and vice versa, because the parasite is eating the tumour. A herbal cleanse does not kill parasites — it cleans the terrain. What passes in the toilet afterwards is the waste they were processing, and possibly the parasites themselves, who have lost their food source.
Each parasite species has an affinity with heavy metals — they eat them and process them as a metabolite so the body can eliminate them. They're our necessary response to the world we've built. They shouldn't even be called parasites. It's a misnomer.
— Jacob DiazWhat Jacob Has Debunked — The Short Version
Each of these is covered in depth on Jacob's Instagram and in dedicated podcast episodes. This is the top line from the research.
Referenced in This Episode
- Germs Are Our Friends — Jacob's Podcast Available on Spotify — link in @undercovervirologist bio
- The End of COVID — Bioterrain School 130,000+ participants — link in @undercovervirologist bio
- Béchamp vs Pasteur — Book Available on Amazon — foundational text on pleomorphism vs germ theory
- The Secret Science of Louis Pasteur — Book Available on Amazon — published from Pasteur's private notebooks by his great-nephew
- The Invisible Rainbow — Arthur Firstenberg Available on Amazon — documents the link between non-native EMF and the Spanish flu era
- The Poison Needle — Eleanor McBean Available on Amazon — firsthand account of the Spanish flu vaccine injury period
- Viralib.com — Mike Stone viralib.com — terrain research database and historical newspaper archive
Former private security professional turned naturopathic student and terrain theory educator. Jacob came to this work through COVID — watching what was being reported not match what he was seeing on the streets of New York City. Years of self-directed research, hundreds of studies, and a network of terrain practitioners later, he built one of the most citation-heavy natural health Instagram accounts in the space. His podcast Germs Are Our Friends covers individual diseases in depth — Lyme, HIV/AIDS, smallpox, tuberculosis, mold, parasites, contagion studies, and more. The bioterrain school he co-created, The End of COVID, has been taken by over 130,000 people. He is currently completing naturopathic training in upstate New York.
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Get the Free Guide Or comment ANCESTRAL on any @stopkillingtheplants post — we'll DM it to you instantly.Information Disclaimer: The views expressed in this episode are those of the guest and host for educational and informational purposes only. Nothing discussed constitutes medical advice. Always consult a qualified healthcare professional before making changes to your health regimen or treatment plan. The perspectives on disease origins, germ theory, vaccines, and medical history represent the guest's research and are presented for educational discussion and critical inquiry.
